ANDY WILLIS is a facilitator, mentor, speaker, and founding director of Working from Anywhere. His company helps small business operators, managers, and other employees fit “work around their life” rather than “life around their work.” Though he lives in the beautiful coastal town of Tathra in New South Wales, Australia, he also spends several months every year cycling and hiking in the French Alps. He lives by the mantra “Carpe Diem,” seizing every moment of every day. As he puts it, “There is no such thing as work/life balance. There is only life.”
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Lisette: Great. And we’re live. So welcome everybody to this remote interview. My name is Lisette, and I’m interviewing people and companies doing great things remotely. Today on the line, all the way from Australia… Oh, happy Australia Day, by the way.
Andy: [inaudible – 00:13]
Lisette: All the way from Australia, Andy Willis. Andy, you’re a facilitator, a mentor, and a speaker. And your company is Work From Anywhere. I mean I had to talk to you, so welcome.
Andy: Yes, we’re definitely aligned on the same path, yeah, Working From Anywhere.
Lisette: For sure. Let’s start with the first question, of course, which is what does your virtual office look like? And then we’ll get into what you do. So what does your virtual office look like, Andy?
Andy: My virtual office is I work mostly [on my own – 00:45]. It actually changes because I work from anywhere. My [inaudible – 00:52] workspace I work from on a daily basis [inaudible – 00:56] a standup workstation setup [inaudible – 01:00]. And [inaudible] alternately, I go work at a co-working space because I find working in a co-working space is just fantastic. You get to connect with people and share ideas, and it’s just great value. So I pretty much do the same when I’m overseas. I’ve worked from wherever I’m staying or I find a co-working space. It just [connects up – 01:24]. [inaudible] work with people either [inaudible – 01:29] co-working space or [inaudible] connect online. So I’m a team of one at the moment. I don’t actually have a team. I do outsourcing some things and work [online with some – 01:40] people. I’m a bit solo at the moment.
Lisette: Yeah, that’s a great way to go also because we can. And what about the co-working scene in Australia? Is it big? Are there a lot of places to choose from?
Andy: Just to put you in the picture, where I’m based is a very small town on the far south coast of New South Wales. I’m not in the city. I’m not based in the city. And I do that by choice because I love it. I get to look at the beach every day and I get to walk on the beach [inaudible – 02:14] people. So [inaudible], there’s a [inaudible] co-working spaces within 20 minutes of me. But co-working spaces in general, especially in the cities and in the larger regional towns are really starting to take off. [inaudible – 02:33] got some [inaudible], which is 20 minutes away. [inaudible]. And I’m looking at potentially creating that into a co-working space myself.
Lisette: Oh, wow, interesting. Let’s talk about working from anywhere. wfa.life is your website name. I love it. Tell us about Working From Anywhere and what [inaudible – 02:58].
Andy: Yeah. Just a bit on wfa.life, which is a bit how things work out, I tried to get wfa.com, which of course wasn’t available. But I could wfa.life. And I thought, “Well, that pretty much says it.” So that’s hence why we have wfa.life. It just works. How I ended up with the business I’ve got now, it’s a bit of a then and now thing. I did have a traditional [inaudible – 03:32] business. I transitioned that business into being able to work from anywhere. And now I wanted to [inaudible – 03:41] moved away from that business. I want to help other people, similar to what you do, help other people to work from anywhere. So [inaudible – 03:51] business, we took large groups of people from Australia, franchise networks to different parts of the world to do their conference. We’ve done everything from their travel, their accommodation, their keynote speaker sessions, their [inaudible – 04:07] dinners. We’ve done everything. And it turned out that I didn’t have to physically see a client all day, every day. My clients, we charge [inaudible – 04:18] half a dozen times a year. And [inaudible – 04:21] we’re in the cities anyway. So I’d have to [inaudible – 04:23] client and travel to the city anyway. During my time running that business, I stopped at airports and spent a bit of time at airports and often picked up a book. And one of the books which we chatted about off air was the Timothy Ferriss book before our work week. And whilst I didn’t believe in the four-hour work week, these concepts were solid, and that is integrated in life and work and not [inaudible – 04:53] life until retirement. So from that, I changed my business to be able to work from anywhere. Over a 12-month period, I [inaudible – 05:05] files in the cloud, got Skype [inaudible – 05:09] other things. I was working with a staff member [inaudible – 05:11]. I thought, “Well, I’ve booked a ticket to France for a month.” Headed over to France for a month back in 2013. Worked from there, [inaudible – 05:22] up in the mountains. And nothing went wrong. I conversed [inaudible – 05:27] with my staff member in Australia in the morning. And it was life-changing. So from that, I’m trying to get to where working from anywhere come from. It changed my life so much that I decided to step back from that business and I just wanted to help other people have that same realization. As you get older, you see people that actually save up for their retirement and defer their life till retirement. But unfortunately, they get to retirement and they either die or don’t have the health to do the things they wanted to. So I thought it’s a great concept. I can ride my bike up mountains in the French Alps while I’m working and something I might not be able to do later. I wasn’t willing to take that risk. So why working from anywhere come about was I wanted to help other people do this. It was quite an effect on me. I then was able to see other people defer in their life. So that’s where working from anywhere come from. So now we’re to the point of creating programs and helping people with their mindset, systems, and technology to change their lives, basically.
Lisette: [inaudible – 06:56] when you were doing it, during the transition of going remote.
Andy: Was it hard, did you say?
Lisette: Did people think you were [crosstalk – 07:09].
Andy: Yeah, some people [inaudible – 07:12]. You can’t do that. You have to be there. But I’m vey much one for doing my own thing. It was a transition. I started off going home one day a week and working from there, and working with my staff member just from somewhere. So I did transition. I’m also a person that doesn’t mind taking a risk. So I thought, “No, what the hell can go wrong?” But people did say… I came back from France because following that first year, I stayed there for a month the first year. Then the next year I stayed there for a month the first year. Then the next year I stayed there for two months. And the next year I stayed there for three months. And that [inaudible – 07:55] come back from [inaudible]. My friends [inaudible] holiday [inaudible]. No, it’s not my holiday. That’s just my life. And that’s the thing. People separate these things as work and there’s life. They [inaudible – 08:12] for the weekend. Potentially, it rains on the weekend anyway. They hang out for their annual holidays. And that’s it. [inaudible – 08:22] don’t understand. [inaudible] so lucky. But so many other people can do it. It was a huge effect. It really wasn’t that hard.
Lisette: Okay, interesting. We’re going to get into that. One thing I wanted to ask you about though [inaudible – 08:39] time zones. In Australia, at the moment, it’s 6 p.m. your time or a little after 6 p.m. It’s 8 a.m. my time.
Andy: Yeah, [inaudible – 08:49].
Lisette: [Laughs] I seem a little groggy. I’m not used to getting up this early. How did you deal with the time zones? You said that you would get up in the morning and talk with your assistant back in Australia. It’s significant, I think. I’ve heard a lot of people say that they have trouble working with Australia, at least from this part of the world, because the time zone difference is so great.
Andy: [inaudible – 09:16] how you manage your work life, basically. Fortunately, I’m an early morning person, so I absolutely can’t work at night time. But I can get up at 5, 6, 4 in the morning. And that’s my time of day. So for me, it was really easy, especially when I first got [inaudible – 09:37] you’re suffering from a bit of jetlag. So you’re still on Australian time zone. I’d be [bright and bushy – 09:44] awake at 4 a.m. So I just start work. But then as it settled in, I’d get up at 6 a.m. I ticktack on Skype or messaging or a call with my staff member [inaudible – 10:00] hours. And once you’ve got things set up, that’s all the time, more or less, you’ll need. So I started early, which actually suits me, which is end of the day but still within work time. And we work it that way. And as far as the business I had dealing with, communicating with clients can be done by email. And they can pick them up whenever they feel like it. If I had to make a call, then you just [inaudible – 10:32] at the time, that works perfectly. But a lot of my clients didn’t even [inaudible – 10:38] because I had a Skype phone number that was an Australian number. But if it rang and I picked it up in France, they [inaudible – 10:48].
Lisette: I think that’s great. I’ve also done the same thing in the past where I had a company that had mostly U.S. clients. And I was based in Europe. And I just never told them. I never brought it up because it would distract them from the conversation somehow. They would be afraid to call me because they didn’t know what time it was. So I just never said anything. And then [crosstalk – 11:09] come up as they would talk about the weather or a holiday or something. It would come up [crosstalk – 11:13]. And then they would be completely surprised. Yeah, it can be seamless. So [crosstalk – 11:19] two hours of overlap time was just enough.
Andy: Yeah, absolutely.
Andy: The other thing with that, and I see as potentially the problem a lot of people facing in work is when they are working together in that office, there’s a lot of distraction time. So if you’re having to schedule two hours to collaborate, guess what, you get the other six hours to focus. You don’t have anyone interrupting you during the day. And that’s hugely productive. So that six hours turns into four hours, and then I go for bike riding.
Andy: Because you can get more done. You don’t have people stopping by and asking you questions. You have to schedule and focus both the time that you have to communicate with your staff member and your other time, so it just works. People don’t see this because they go to the office and they don’t realize how much interruption time takes away from the day.
Lisette: Yeah, indeed. One of the things that I hear a lot from people is that they actually work from home [inaudible – 12:32] from anywhere to be productive because of all the interactions and things that are happening at the office. [crosstalk – 12:40] transition from being time-based to being results-based. If you can get your [crosstalk – 12:45] hours, great. Why sit around for eight if you [crosstalk – 12:50] bike ride.
Andy: Yeah, absolutely. Go and live a little.
Lisette: Yeah [crosstalk – 12:57]. So what’s hard for you? What are some of the challenges that you faced in transitioning to this type of life?
Andy: I really didn’t have that many challenges. And possibly, if you did have to explain to someone, getting him to understand that you weren’t on holidays, you were working, maybe sometimes working on your own, especially if you’re in France, you don’t have anyone around you that speaks English. No one to sort of bounce ideas off. But if I’m here, [inaudible – 13:35] if I need to connect with people or get some feedback, I either get online or I go and work at a co-working space. Now I really can’t say honestly that there were many challenges. A lot of it is mindset.
Lisette: Interesting. So you made the decision, okay, I’m going remote, and then just slowly transitioned into [inaudible – 14:02]. Interesting.
Lisette: What does your company do? What are the services that you offer [clients – 14:08]?
Andy: Working From Anywhere itself is currently in development. So we’re developing a program that’s going to be launched in [region – 14:19] Australia, so not in the cities. I’ll get [inaudible – 14:22] start [inaudible] locally, and then it’ll be launched regionally. And it’s a program to help people with all these issues. And that is the mindset, the systems, and the technology. So they can actually work from anywhere. And the people I’m targeting are small businesses, small business operators, and individuals. So there’s that part of what we offer. We also offer consultant services with online [inaudible – 14:49] tools. We share information on tools. And we share a lot of content [inaudible – 15:00] on how you can better work remotely and [inaudible – 15:05]. So it’s a lot about sharing.
The other thing, we do have [inaudible – 15:10] really well. [inaudible – 15:12] the hot seat, which you may be aware of that takes place in a lot of mastermind groups. But the hot seat I’ve developed and that’s gone so, so well. It’s amazing. And that’s where someone has a business idea or a concept. They sit in the hot seat, and we have a panel of six to eight people that sit around. They have a structured presentation, addresses each area of their concepts or their business idea. And they get feedback from this diverse range of people. You’re at a dinner party and you mention an idea, and suddenly, people feed into it, and that idea grows.
The other thing [inaudible – 15:55] is they’re testing their assumptions. So it’s quite confronting. But it’s enormously… the energy and the level of conversation in the room is just incredible. So that’s something we’ve developed and we’ve just started doing. We’re up to that [third one of those – 16:16] now where people come in for two sessions. The first session is their hot seat session. And then they come back a month later, which is their accountability [inaudible – 16:26]. And they report back on the action they took as a result [of the – 16:30] feedback. It’s quite challenging. Actually, I was the first person in the hot seat with my Working From Anywhere business, and it’s very confronting but enormously valuable.
Lisette: Oh, sure. Oh, you have a dog, it sounds like.
Andy: Yeah, I do have a little dog.
Andy: A little Maltese is my daughter’s dog. My daughter is no longer here. She’s up in university. But the dog is still here.
Lisette: I [crosstalk – 16:56] cat that comes over, and she just [crosstalk] hear the creaking, but she just opened the door herself to come into my [crosstalk] here and [inaudible].
Andy: I don’t know if you can hear, but I’ve lived somewhere where there are bellbirds. So there are always bellbirds in the background. I don’t know if you can hear them.
Lisette: [crosstalk – 17:14] a little bit, yeah. All the way from [crosstalk].
Andy: [inaudible – 17:22] some kangaroos. You’ll be pleased to know.
Lisette: Ah, cool, very different than the Netherlands. We don’t have [inaudible – 17:29]. So in terms of the discipline and productivity, you’re working on your own. How do you stay motivated? What are your tricks, your productivity hacks?
Andy: One thing that I’ve really got better at because I’m very distractible because I love technology [inaudible – 17:51] always chasing… My natural personality chases the next shiny object, basically. I use Asana. It’s more or less a project management tool. And I make sure I put three or four things on that list. And I allocate time to them and only try and focus on those three or four things rather than having a dozen things on the to-do list and then getting to the end of the day and still having [inaudible – 18:22]. That’s the thing that has really helped me, actually allocating time to each of those tasks and [inaudible – 18:33] focus on too much.
Lisette: Yeah, I’ve got the list of 20 things that I only get three… I mean you know you can only get three things, right? But what do you do with the other 17 things? Do they just stay on the list? Or do you just have to [crosstalk – 18:47]?
Andy: Use Asana. Asana is great because you can put them in sections called today, upcoming, and later. So you just put them in today’s list. They still [inaudible – 18:59]. And then tomorrow they become today. But you don’t see them, don’t look at them.
Lisette: That sounds good, actually. [crosstalk – 19:09] tool called Toodledo. It’s a very, very [crosstalk] management tool. But yeah, I can still see all the other things. It makes my list look really big. So I like this idea of just three to four things. Keeps the [inaudible – 19:22] because as an entrepreneur, you can always be doing something, right?
Andy: Yeah. And I qualify by saying I’m not always that good at doing that. I do fail.
Lisette: Good to hear. Good to hear.
Andy: There’s always that shiny object. [inaudible – 19:37] I’ve got to try [inaudible].
Lisette: [Laughs] Okay, so you have Asana. Any other productivity hacks that you use?
Andy: I have recently been using a method of trying to work for 30 minutes and then have 5 minutes off [inaudible – 19:57].
Andy: That doesn’t always work [inaudible – 20:02]. Other than that, I just give in and go for bike riding and come back.
Lisette: And actually, I want to address this because I’m about to do a podcast episode about health and remote working.
Andy: Oh, yes.
Lisette: And it just seems like we could be at our desks all day. And actually, there are some days when I’m like I wake up, I look at my phone, and then I go to my laptop and looking at my screen [inaudible – 20:22] watching movies on my iPad mini. And I think, “Oh my God, I haven’t looked at the real world yet today. It’s been completely [crosstalk – 20:28] day long.” And I haven’t moved. I look at my step counter and it’s like 900 steps. And I think, “Oh my God, no.” So [crosstalk – 20:37] hiker and looking very physically fit. So what’s your thought on this?
Andy: And this is… Well, it’s not even a discipline. It’s a habit to get into. But I don’t find it very difficult to do. But it would be easy. And just because you can work from anywhere, you can work all the time. You’re just done. You’ve just got to learn to stop. I have a routine. I worked [inaudible – 21:04] energy levels. So before this podcast, for instance, I knew I was coming on this podcast. And I don’t work after 6 o’clock normally. And I wasn’t going to [inaudible – 21:14] my bike. So [inaudible] earlier and went for a bike ride and then come back and here we are. But it’s really so, so important. Every day, I go to the beach and either have a walk or a surf, and then I start work. And then I always finish work. I finish work in the afternoon because I like to start early. I finish by 4 o’clock. I just stop. And it’s important to get that discipline. [inaudible – 21:47] now than I’ve ever been in my whole life because I’m active every single day. And it’s a matter I’ve learned that is if you can’t get something done, [inaudible – 22:01] just stop doing it. Otherwise, it’s easier to do the next thing and the next thing. It’ll be there tomorrow. [inaudible – 22:10] I’m healthier now than I’ve ever been. [inaudible – 22:14] my energy levels. Just because we’ve been conditioned to start work in the morning and finish in the afternoon, you don’t have to do that. If you’re feeling like an afternoon nap or an afternoon walk, [inaudible – 22:30] have a nap or have a walk and come back, and you’ll be more productive. I actually don’t find it very difficult to do at all. I stop and it’s great. I feel fantastic for it.
Lisette: Yeah. I think that is one of the key benefits of being able to work from anywhere. I remember working in an office. And we were allowed and even encouraged to go out and take walks in the afternoon. We even worked in a big office building by lake. It was rarely done by anybody if I’m honest. I would do it for a week and then I’d get back to just eating lunch at my desk again. It’s interesting though that the momentum, it’s so hard in a setting like that. It’s so hard to get up and out. It’s weird, actually.
Andy: The other thing that happens in that scenario is it becomes a I’ve got to be seen at my desk thing. It’s that peer pressure thing. Oh, look, Lisette has gone for a walk. She should be working. [inaudible – 23:32] I’d rather go to work early and have a walk for an hour during the day. But it’s that peer pressure thing where people think they have to be seen to be at their desk [inaudible – 23:47] their desk. Not being productive because they need a walk. They need some fresh air.
Lisette: Yeah. I can’t tell you the number of times when I go out running and I have to put a note on my phone like, “Okay, when you get back, I just had a brilliant idea. [inaudible – 24:01].” But you need to get out and [get to think – 24:03].
Andy: Absolutely. And you don’t realize that until you do that. Every time I go for a bike ride, I [inaudible – 24:10]. And it’s like running. You don’t try to think of things. But there are two things you think of. I think of all my ideas, which will probably cost [inaudible – 24:20] on the bike. [inaudible – 24:24] brilliant ideas. The other thing you do is you solve a few problems because your mind is clear and you’ve got that fresh air. And without even trying, you’re solving problems that you can’t do at your desk. And you’re thinking new ideas that will never, ever come up while you’re at your desk.
Lisette: Right. Yeah, I spoke with a creativity expert from Sweden in one of my interviews. [Teo Harren – 24:48], one of my favorite interviews. And he really said, “You have to mix up your environments in order to stay creative. When you go to the same place every day, instead of being creative with people, you start to whine. You start to whine [crosstalk – 25:01]. It’s the same people, the same environment every day. We need to work where we’re most productive, wherever that is.” And I loved that concept.
Lisette: So what do you think people need to think about before they make this step?
Andy: My advice would be don’t think too much. People think too much. What’s the worst thing that could go wrong? Have a bit of a think about it. But hey, have a look at what you’re doing now and just ask yourself, “Do I have to [inaudible – 25:44] that place at that time to be doing this?” If the answer is maybe not, then [inaudible – 25:51]. So I’m a [inaudible] person.
Lisette: Okay, that sounds scary. [crosstalk – 25:58] some sort of a safety net or a financial stability. [inaudible – 26:04].
Andy: I’ll give you one thing, and that is have some systems in place. Have some systems, not technology systems but some organizational systems and operational, manual type things. So you’ve got your processes and the things that you do every day, documented. You’ve got that sort of plan. But other than that, what’s the worst thing that can happen?
Lisette: I don’t [inaudible – 26:34] [laughs].
Andy: What’s the worst thing that can happen? Get back to working in the office.
Lisette: That’s true. You can always get another job. There’s always another job out there. That’s true.
Andy: Yeah. [inaudible – 26:47].
Lisette: It’s true. I really like the idea of… I think I read on your website, the mini retirements. [inaudible – 26:57] until we retire, especially in the Netherlands that are increasing the retirement age. It seems like [crosstalk – 27:02] retirement age goes up and up and up. And it’s like now 67.5. And I think, “Oh, man, if I have to wait until I’m 67.5 to go on these mountain hikes, you don’t know what’s going to happen.”
Andy: Yeah. And there can be mini retirements. [inaudible – 27:18] just integrate your life. I spend three months in France. It’s not a mini retirement. It’s just [inaudible – 27:27]. Mini retirements, that’s one of the things that Timothy Ferriss talked about in his book. It was one of the things that sort of got me thinking about it.
Lisette: Yeah, don’t wait, I like that, integrate because we now can with the technology and the tools. Besides Asana, are there other tools that you like to use?
Andy: Oh, jeez, don’t start me on tools [laughs].
Lisette: [crosstalk – 27:54].
Andy: [inaudible]. But the top ones for me are things like RoboForm. It’s a password manager. I can’t live without RoboForm. I don’t know about you, but I look at RoboForm. Basically, one password gets you into the system. It’s a password manager. So you need one password that’s really weird and cryptic. I must have 200 passwords in there. We get new passwords every day. So absolutely can’t live without it [inaudible – 28:27] devices. And the other thing it does is you can generate passwords. So you’re not using [inaudible – 28:38] every password. You can generate passwords and [inaudible – 28:42] for you. So you don’t have to remember them. There’s [inaudible – 28:46], which I use for project management, as well as I can now create templates that I use within my product [inaudible – 28:56] where you can create templates of processes for people [inaudible – 29:02] tools, how to do operational stuff in their businesses. I use [inaudible – 29:08], which is a social media sharing [inaudible – 29:13] tool [inaudible] things like that. But I’ve used [inaudible – 29:19] it’s amazing. It’s just incredible. It’s really easy to use. It does everything from sharing your media to [inaudible – 29:30] social media to finding content to schedule [inaudible – 29:34], just basically, [inaudible] social media, Monday morning, find your content at the same time, load it up, and then [inaudible – 29:44] schedule. So that’s zero for [inaudible – 29:49]. And I [inaudible] which is really handy when you’re on the Internet, finding really nice, good articles. Haven’t got the time to read them. You just save it to GetPocket, tag it, which is really good. And you can just read it later. [inaudible – 30:07] tools. I use Typeform, WorldMate, Skype, Canva, lots of them. They are the big ones for me.
Lisette: Okay, yeah. [inaudible – 30:17] smarter [inaudible]. I’m a Meet Edgar fan.
Andy: Oh, hey, I come from Meet Edgar. I had Meet Edgar. I sort of loved it. I’ve gone to SmarterQueue. I’m not an affiliate of SmarterQueue or anything. I just love it. I went from Meet Edgar to SmarterQueue, and it’s amazing. I’d love to [inaudible – 30:42]. It’s just incredible. It’s [inaudible – 30:45] amazing.
Lisette: Definitely be checking it out. We’re running out of time, which is crazy. One thing that I wanted to talk to you about is the reason why I first actually heard about you is you were organizing a conference, which now makes sense knowing about your conference background. And you were organizing, I think, a Work From Anywhere conference.
Andy: Yes, that’s right, Working From Anywhere conference.
Lisette: Okay. And so what was your idea behind it? I think it’s a great idea. There have been several online conferences that are also really good. But I just was curious about your conference.
Andy: This is where it started. You start with the big idea, the working from anywhere, what I wanted to share. The idea was to share it at this big conference. And it was going to involve everything from freelancers to remote workers to bloggers to everyone. So this is great, big [community – 31:37]. But as I went through the time, then I decided what my purpose was. My real purpose was helping people like me that had traditional businesses and working them in traditional way. I wanted to help those people just do that simple, [inaudible – 32:03] transition. So in the end, the conference was huge. It was going to be fantastic. But it wasn’t going to serve the realization [inaudible – 32:13] this was where working from anywhere could really help people. So I found the focus. I found the direction. And the conference actually wasn’t going to serve my direction. Whereas, yes, the conference itself, still a great idea, and it was going really well and still can be done. But I decided to move towards where I was going to make the most difference to the people that I can connect with.
Lisette: Makes sense. As a good entrepreneur, we have an idea, but we don’t always have to follow through with every idea. We have [inaudible – 32:52] and focus and prioritize.
Andy: Yeah. And it’s a tough thing to do, but it’s what you’ve got to do. And I’m really happy in the space I’m at, with the direction I’m going. And it just all feels fantastic.
Lisette: Yeah, you seem really happy.
Andy: I am [laughs].
Lisette: For people who are listening, don’t wait till retirement. Let’s start integrating work and life now. It is possible. Last question is if people want to get in touch, we’ve already mentioned the website wfa.life, but what other ways are there to get in touch with you if they want to learn more?
Andy: The website has got all my social media links on there, also a contact me. There is a place on there to book a Skype call with me if anyone wants to have a chat. [inaudible – 33:47] another one of our great tools, which I didn’t mention, which was [inaudible – 33:51], which I absolutely love. So go to the website. That’s the easiest place. It’s all there. I’m very happy to just chat with people.
Lisette: Just connecting. The great thing about working online is it’s really easy to connect with people from all over the world.
Andy: And it’s just a [inaudible – 34:14] connected. And it’s amazing the people you connect with. And you end up connecting with the like-minded people. You can find them if you do it right. There are other social media where you have thousands and thousands of followers, so-called followers. But [inaudible – 34:34] I think [inaudible] connected maybe on LinkedIn where you can find some really quality connections with quality rather than quantity. And it’s about to be able to [inaudible – 34:46] the other side of the world [inaudible – 34:48] both on the same path, really, helping the same sort of people. It’s incredible.
Lisette: Yeah, I think so too. There are some days when I think like wow, I just spoke with somebody in Brazil, somebody in Moscow, somebody in Finland, and somebody in the U.S., all in the same day, totally incredible, never [inaudible – 35:06].
Andy: And let me just say, you’re doing an awesome job. I love your work. I have been following you for a while. I just love what you’re doing. It’s fantastic how you are connecting with people from all over the world and sharing that. So fantastic, well done.
Lisette: Oh, thanks, thanks. I love this work. I would be doing this. People always ask me like, “What happens if Collaboration Superpowers doesn’t work out?” And I thought, “I would do it anyway. Even [inaudible – 35:36], I would still be doing this. It’s not about the money. It’s a mission somehow. You have to do it or I’ll burst.” I don’t know.
Andy: And that’s right. It is not always about money. And you learn that [inaudible – 35:50] the more money you have, the more time you don’t have, the more money you want, the more stuff you buy that you don’t need.
Lisette: [inaudible – 36:00] these super rich people that have multiple houses and yachts and stuff. And I think when do they use it? I can’t even imagine. I live in a very, very small apartment, and I look at these big houses. I’ve been house-hunting with husband. And I look at these big houses, and I think what would you do with all those rooms. I don’t even know. You just can’t imagine what you’d do with all that stuff.
Andy: Yeah. And the other thing, what do you do with it? But look at all the time it takes from you. It takes your life away. If you’ve got to go to that boat every now and then or clean the house or manage all those assets, that takes time away from when you could be out enjoying yourself. You’ve got to manage your assets that you can’t use because there are too many of them.
Lisette: Right, sounds dreadful [laughs].
Andy: [laughs] It is.
Lisette: One yacht is enough, don’t you think [laughs]?
Andy: Yeah, go and rent one. You’ve got enough money. You rent one. Let someone else look after it for the other 11 months. I’ve been sailing before. And you go [inaudible – 37:05] oh, wouldn’t be nice to [inaudible] and then give it back and come back next year.
Lisette: Yeah, indeed. Spend time with friends, connecting with people all over the world, [inaudible – 37:18].
Andy: Absolutely. Let someone else manage the properties, the boats, and everything else in the life.
Lisette: Yeah, indeed, indeed, love it. All right, get rid of your stuff [inaudible – 37:29] get rid of your stuff.
Andy: I’ve got bikes and surfboards. That’s all I need.
Lisette: Awesome. [inaudible – 37:39] running shoes [inaudible].
Andy: And a bit of technology, of course.
Lisette: Of course. We need our [inaudible – 37:47] [laughs].
Lisette: Yeah. [inaudible – 37:51], not yachts. [inaudible] new catch phrase. Well, thank you so much. It’s been an absolute pleasure speaking with you. And I really hope that people get in touch, wfa.life, everybody. And until next time, be powerful.